Can you be saved and still go to hell???

 So many things in scripture point to "if your are in Christ, then..." and to be honest you find that a lot of people want to claim these things  but remain unwilling to abide in Him or live their life in Christ. My question is can you be saved, can you have accepted God's gift of grace paid for by the blood of the Lamb and still not go to heaven?

 

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

but.......

 

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

the Bible does not contradict itself so what then does that leave these two seemingly contradicting verses to mean? Is there a difference between being saved and going to heaven?

 

 

 

 

Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

 

 

Can you be saved and not abide in Him? I think so...but I do not think that being saved will do you any eternal good unless you also choose to die to self and abide in Him....

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Permalink Reply by Kavitha on April 29, 2010 at 4:24pm
You should be saved everyday to abide in Him .
It is not like you repent and get saved by him One day and later you induldge in things that is not pleasing to God. One should be cautious in all actions, speech,thoughts and deeds of their daily life . Though we knowingly or unknowingly not following the perfect life , still God Bless Us because of his IMMENSE GRACE. Without His Grace we are no more. If His grace continues to abide in us , we will go to heaven. After reading and knowing the truth of life from the Bible and still if we do not repent , change ourselves and get saved , Going to heaven will be a BIG QUESTION. These days are the DAYS OF GRACE . We should utilise these days before the days of God's wrath come upon us.
Permalink Reply by Merin Lukose on June 27, 2010 at 6:56am
Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

So God did not want man to go to hell fire: 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

However, Mathew 18:23-35 tell us that servant's forgiveness was taken back. And many other verses say that saved can be lost...

Therefore, I agree with your conclusion.
Permalink Reply by Tabitha Nazarene on June 27, 2010 at 9:05am

Permalink Reply by Martin Solomon on September 6, 2010 at 12:13pm
Beloved in Christ,

If a person gets saved, it is eternal. Because a true repentance is a gift of God. So he who truly repented and got the gift of the Holy Spirit, his soul is saved from the wrath of God.
It is not the men who searches God to get saved. It is GOD who comes and saves the men.

John 6:44 [No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.]

Philippians 1:6 [being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.].

So a person who truly repented and tasted that GOD is good, he will never pluck his head into the garbage and will stay there. If he stays there, GOD is going to come and rescue him. Because it is He who started the work. He will finish it. Our God is a zealous GOD. He is not going to let his son/daughter to stay in the garbage. He will come with the everlasting love, and will draw him with loving-kindness.

But if a man thinks he is saved and stays in the garbage and likes it, then there is this conclusion he has not repented truly. He is going to hell. Because he was never saved.

So I must conclude if a man gets saved it is eternal.

J. Martin Solomon
Permalink Reply by Merin Lukose on November 21, 2010 at 12:18am
I think Martin is concluding the opposite of what Tabitha concluded in her original post.

Questions to Martin, how do you know that you are truly saved? What is the difference between a saved person committing sins and a person who thinks he is saved and committing sins?

What about these two passages from Hebrews?

4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”[e] 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Permalink Reply by Martin Solomon on November 21, 2010 at 3:40pm
Dear Merin,

Questions to Martin, how do you know that you are truly saved?

This is a discussion about " Whether a truly saved person can fall away from faith or not?"
So I don't have to answer this question. Yet, I answer. Examine myself with the word of God. I will know for sure on the day of Glory that I was His Child.

What is the difference between a saved person committing sins and a person who thinks he is saved and committing sins?
[A saved person committing sin] I hope you are not telling that a saved person can never sin. If a saved person commits sin, the Holy Spirit will convict him and he WILL repent and be ashamed of what he has done. The sanctification work of the Holy Spirit will cleanse him of all his filthiness. This is not immediate but gradual. A saved person's sin will not be counted against him.

Psalm 32:2 Blessed is the man whose sin the LORD does not count against him and in whose spirit is no deceit.

Psalm 32:8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will counsel you and watch over you.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Hebrews 12:4-8 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons:
“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son.”
Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons.

I hope the above verses will give you an understanding about Who is the controller of a believer's life. Who works on the life of the believer. He leads him. He corrects him when he [His Children] sins. He transforms him [His Children] to the image of His son.

[A person who thinks he is saved and committing sins]
I hope you know the answer.

What about these two passages from Hebrews?

4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.


26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”[e] 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

These two verses refers to people who know the Gospel but rejected it willfully after some time. They were not saved. They had every knowledge to come to Christ but they never come to Christ.

I want you to read the Sower and the Seed parable.
Matthew 8:5-15
The two are compared to the one on the 13th and the 14th verse.
Matthew 8:13-14 Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature.

Matthew 8:15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.
What is the difference between these two people?. The later was truly saved. He has the broken and contrite heart because of the working of the Holy Spirit. And he gives fruit. There is no doubt.

But the former one does not have the working of the Holy Spirit.

I want you to read the following verse and meditate on it.

Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.

You can find The Certainty of the promises of God in the following verses.

John 10:27-30 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than alld; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

John 6:37-40 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Romans 8:28-30 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.


To God all Praise and Glory,

Amen.
Permalink Reply by GV on November 23, 2010 at 1:06pm
Lord said, "he who endures till the end shall be saved."

That statement of Lord states that man has a freewill to endure or not. Lucifer was in heaven. But he lost that state of eternal life.
If once saved a person is ever saved then why do the Apostles warn the christians to be holy and endure till the end?

So Martin Brother has to believe in the concept of freewill. Let us abide in Christ rather than follow calvinism which says "Once saved ever saved". God bless all.
Permalink Reply by Martin Solomon on November 23, 2010 at 6:37pm
Beloved in Christ,

Let me put this in a clear way.
What is salvation?
Whole mankind is fallen. They hate God. They can and will never come to Christ because they hate God. No one come to Christ unless the God the Father has elected them. God has elected some to enter into His Glory. So He offers this salvation to His elect.
I hope you will agree with me till this point.

Secondly, Can a Holy God accept a filthy sinner into His Kingdom? no.
What He does is that He justifies his sin by the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. Then by His transformation power, He transform the man into a new creature. This new creature dos not have the old nature. Only the dead flesh is there. He will fall for the fleshly desires. But he will get back to the Holiness by the working of the Holy Spirit. God the Holy Spirit transforms him to the image of our Lord Jesus Christ. He does not stop His work because a man falls in sin. He does this not because of the man, but because of His reputation. He never starts a work which He can not accomplish.

And this is the Gospel. This Gospel brings Joy to the saved not a license to sin. He knows how depraved he was. He knows his utter impotence. He knows what God has done for Him. He knows How much God loves Him. And He loves (Spiritually) God as Jesus loves God the Father.

If you still hold on to "salvation can be lost", you are telling that the new heart and spirit God plants at the time of regeneration is as dead as before or plucks them out as soon as the man falls in sin. I hope you are not telling that.

The topic of freewill. Before conversion this freewill chooses only which is wrong. God changes the new creature's will to obey him. So he starts to choose what is right.

Salvation is not a one day effect. It goes on till the day of Christ. God transforms a dirty, filthy man to the image of His Son Jesus Christ. He does not stop it in the middle.

I hope you understand.
Permalink Reply by GV on November 27, 2010 at 9:28am
Hi Martin,

Do you believe that man has a freewill or do you believe that man is a robot?
Permalink Reply by Martin Solomon on November 27, 2010 at 9:31am
I believe that man has a freewill. With his freewill, before conversion, he chooses only doing evil. After conversion, the Holy Spirit changes his will to conform to the will of God, so he chooses righteous deeds.
Permalink Reply by GV on November 27, 2010 at 2:38pm
If a christian cannot do evil why did the Apostles warn christians of sin?
Permalink Reply by Martin Solomon on November 27, 2010 at 4:37pm
If a christian cannot do evil why did the Apostles warn christians of sin?

I didn't get you. Are you saying "Christian's can't sin Or Christians will not sin".
And I also won't say "Christian's can't sin Or Christians will not sin"
Both of them are false.

What I am saying is:
Do Christians struggle with sin? Yes. Can a Christian fall into sin? Absolutely. Can a Christian live in a continuous state of carnality all the days of his life not bearing fruit and truly be Christian? Absolutely not or every promise in the Old Testament regarding the New Testament covenant has failed and everything God said about discipline in Hebrews is a lie.

A tree is known by its fruit.

Apples don't make a tree an apple tree. The apples merely reveal the true nature of the tree. Repentance is a fruit of conversion and often reveals that it is genuine. It is not that you have to stop sinning. It is that when God saves you, you turn away from the sin you once loved.

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